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Blessed with faith

Last week I was walking down High Street minding my own business, when I was stopped by David Blaine and his ‘Street Magician’ camera crew (not really). He did his trick, the one he does on his TV show, he levitated before my very eyes. Like everyone I had the ‘whoa, that’s amazing’ reaction. Blaine walked on down the road, leaving in his wake his mesmerised audience.

I thought about it later in the day and for a moment thought – did he actually do that? Is he actually magic? Only for a moment though, because I know it’s impossible, and even though I’d seen it with my own eyes, I knew it was more than likely a trick, not a phenomenon. Not to say that impossible things don’t become possible, but Joe Normal tends to need a lot more evidence than one performance, under the circumstances of the performers choosing.

So, I don’t believe, or have faith that he really levitated, because it’s impossible according to the laws of physics. Yet I have friends and family who believe that a guy known as Jesus of Nazareth was born of a virgin, walked on water, raised people from the dead including himself. Why do they believe this? Because its written in an the Bible. In Gospels written decades after the reported events by guys who were trying, lets say for altruistic reasons, to get their religion up and running.

I recently met a lady on a couple of occasions, a friend of my wife’s, who literally believes EVERYTHING. You name it, she’s into it. Acupuncture, Reiki, homeopathy, astrology, cupping, Feng Shuiand that’s only the ones she mentioned in the 2-3 hours approximately I’ve been in her company. I’ve no doubt that she’d have no problem accepting the Jesus miracles as a positive probability. However, most people I think are open minded but heavily sceptical about miracles and physics defying events unless they are proven beyond reasonable doubt. For me, it’s really the only way to get on with your life – we can’t assume every claim of magic to be probably correct – the world would completely unpredictable – I wouldn’t want to get out of bed never mind get on a plane, in case aerodynamics suddenly changed its nature.

So why do intelligent people believe the Jesus stories? Let’s make no bones about it, smarter and more thought intensive people than me have decided in their heads that Jesus walked on water, turned water to wine and in some cases they believe that he guides them in their day to day life! (though obviously Gabriel only appeared to Mary, not Mohammad – THAT would be ridiculous). The answer is faith. I think it’s the same with most religions, but in my culture, Christianity is the major force, and a lot of my family and friends would describe themselves as having a faith in the god of the bible. I have recently had some interesting debates with them, and when it comes down to it, they don’t usually focus their argument on trying to convince me that the bible is reliable when it talks of physics-defying events, they say its at this point in your journey you need faith, and faith is the key.  An intellectual discussion usually turns into a theological discussion, and sometimes I get the feeling they are dancing and gloating in the space between that which we know and that which we don’t yet know. It goes… we don’t know everything, therefore anything is possible, therefore my position is intellectually sound – all i need is to declare my faith!! As soon as they proclaim that it comes down to faith, they admit that they can’t convince me that its true with evidence based enquiry alone - I need faith. In fact if it could be shown to me in an convincing manor, then it would no longer BE a faith.

The problem is I don’t have faith. I could pretend that I do, I could try to talk myself into it, but deep down I don’t have faith and I can’t help it. You can’t make a decision to have faith, I can’t decide in my head that I believe that David Blaine levitated in front of me – even though THAT happened before my eyes! So how can I believe the heavily processed story of a man 2000 years ago who apparently did some physics defying stuff. You can talk someone into believing facts through evidence based inquiry but whether I’m Joe Bloggs or Pope Benedict, faith is something you have or you don’t.

Debating the probabilities and possibilities of various iconic events and the evidence thereof, is destined to lead nowhere. Because depending on what religion you’re talking to, your faith has to be different. It’s not ok when talking to a Christian to say you have faith that you will be re-incarnated when you die, or to a Muslim that you have faith that Jesus was the son of god. To be a Christian you have to have been blessed with the ‘Christian’ faith – I wonder how many little children in Surrey wake up one morning and say mummy, I’ve just been given the faith to believe that Mohammad was a prophet of god.

So either you’re A) lucky and were brought up as a Christian and pretty much taught the bible as fact, so the need for faith is minimal, or you are B) someone who believes absolutely every extra-physical hoodoo, without extended inquiry, or C) god decides to bless you with faith in later life.

This is a dilemma, because it’s not my fault that I don’t have faith. If you believe in the god of the bible then the only outworking of this is that some are blessed with faith, faith is god given. If it is something that some are given and some aren’t then why do Christians try to convert people and tell them the ‘good news’, they might have some success with the lady I know who believes everything from astrology to Reiki, and obviously a child will believe pretty much everything a trusted adult tells them, but as for the likes of me, according to John 3:16 I’m doomed to a fiery eternity because I don’t have faith, which is a smidge unfair I think.

There are of course valid attempts to explain the quandry, but the logic seems quite circular – usualy about ‘letting god do the work’… but there’s a big assumption which has been breezed past – which is of course his/it’s ultimate existance and involvement. Most times when i hear people stuggling with these questions – i fear they have missed the elephant in the room, that it might just all be in their heads.

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  1. LoveIsTheKey
    October 11, 2007 at 17:01 | #1

    QMonkey (or polemic monkey i should call you!) – you need to admit what you don’t know – then address it. You also need to address causality. Why are we here, where did we come from. What was there before time. Its those questions that lead to faith, ask those and faith will be given to you.

  2. qmonkey
    October 11, 2007 at 17:11 | #2

    Fair ‘nuff LoveIsTheKey. I admit I don’t know much, and as we can’t yet comprehend the origins of the universe, ruling out a supreme being is illogical (though I would argue that it’s improbable). However – it doesn’t follow that this being has made contact with humans on earth, the Christian view is something along the lines that god made contact with humans approx 6000 years ago, about 4 billion years after he created it – what if he didn’t, and he’s planning to when we grow up in say, another 2000 years. If he does, im betting he won’t involve something as vague and confusing as ‘faith’. But like you say, I know nothing – if you have a faith, good on you, how did you get it?

  3. RebeccaT
    October 11, 2007 at 17:19 | #3

    The love of god is present all around us, you DO just need to open your eyes, accept that you are a sinner, who needs Jesus’ grace, and he will give you faith. How can you look at a child and think there is no god, or even watch the wonder of nature. God has placed the seed in all of us, the god shaped hole.
    Much love.

  4. LoveIsTheKey
    October 11, 2007 at 20:01 | #4

    your problem is you’ve been listening, i think, to so called Christians who deny the authority of the bible. Which is ridiculous. 4billion years! nonsense. If you believe that Jesus is the son of god, then you belive the bible to be the word of god. Jesus didnt deny the truth of the old testament, in fact he believed it literally and we’re told this in the gospels. It’s not as complex as you are saying, god created man, he breathed life into the universe, the story of life is the story of god – knowing god is knowing life

  5. yulla
    October 11, 2007 at 22:19 | #5

    Qmonkey… long time reader, first time commenter :)
    Unlike the comments above, I think this is a well written, interesting and honest post. I do have a faith but I respect that you don’t, or at least don’t anymore. Don’t worry about wackos and creationists just because they are nuts doesn’t mean that the jesus of the bible isn’t the son of god. In saying that, some of what you said in your post has really challenged me, and I’m struggling to think of non-cliché answer. Keep it up, don’t shy from the odd serious post like this – along with the sushi chains and such!

  6. HansoLock
    October 12, 2007 at 12:08 | #6

    I want to know why you are so angry. Why not just relax and accept what you know to be true – that Jesus died for you, and that you sin everyday, and that is not accceptable to your creator, but there is hope and live in the resurection. Then you can truly let him into your life and he will set you free (John 17:17). I will pray for you, that you can be relased from your anger, and have life to its fullest

  7. qmonkey
    October 12, 2007 at 12:14 | #7

    Blooming eck! Talk about a hornets nest – and I’ve only allowed through the comments that weren’t ‘overly’ abusive!

    Anger? Really? Is that your argument? To be fair I recently watched a debate between Dawkins/McGrath and the one question McGrath got to ask, and it was why are you angry? Dawkins of course listed about 10 things. A weird question I thought, but McGrath seemed happy enough. Must be something im missing.

    Hanso, its really ok to be angry about things. But in this case, im actually not. I’m not sure you read the post at all, I think you just trawl t’internet looking for heretics to bash from the safety of your keyboard.

    To be fair to you, I suppose im sitting in the safety of my keyboard too. Thanks for the comment anyway, I suppose.

    Note to self: stop engaging the lunatic fringe

  8. yobeauty
    October 14, 2007 at 02:28 | #8

    Mr Naughty Monkey ! nice post . I share some of the same thoughts as you .Im frowned upon for questioning whether i believe the bible to be word of God or word of man , with some rather misguided thoughts within it .And so im judged as a athiest yet i have not made up my mind 100% leaving no room for change of the posibility something might exist .Instead i look for real reasons to believe in something , and cant help seeing many contridictions within the bible that lead me to think it is highly likely to be but the thoughts of man .
    I would be for more likely to follow a belief of a tribesman that i would of christianity which seems to have words of love mixed in with hatered and fear .But as i look towards the land where it evolved from im not at all surprised .And as i look around and see the different devisions and sects of those that read and have (total) faith in this book , im not surprised by the nastiness that i sometime feel directed in my direction either .That is not to say i totally ignore this book as being of no use to this earth , mixed in with what i see as some unwise words i see also many wise words .One lot of wise words i see is the thought “by their fruits you will know them ” , and so when im attacked im not surprised and unstead of in return feeling angry i smile knowing im dealing with a misguided bunch .

    By the way many of my family are religiously faithful too , sadly their faith is such that their actions of the seperation issue treats me to a living death .Im alive but they dont acknowledge i am , somehow this is supposed to bring me to believing in christianity .Am i stupid for not believing in something that is nasty ?? .

  9. astudent
    October 15, 2007 at 08:28 | #9

    qmonky,
    I believe (I did it again, didn’t I) that we both ask questions and make statements that are biased to begin with. We already have our own answers and we are just trying to get that answer from the other person. Look at your last statement. Instead of saying God, you said “magic orbiting invisible monster”. If a deaf and blind man were to drop a coin from a latter and then ask what happened to it, I would attempt to explain it to him. If he really wanted to know it would be possible, but the reverse is also true. A man with no faith in God is blind and deaf to the teachings of the Bible and if he wants to stay that way God will let him. As Mr. Hawking states there is nothing in this world that we know for sure and you agree “in the strictest sense”, but you demand proof of God. Isn’t that a bit biased?

  10. The Grumpy Man
    October 15, 2007 at 13:21 | #10

    It’s not really a fair and open debate if you’re censoring the comments people are allowed to make. I’d say that very few of the comments you’ve let through so far are “abusive” certainly no more abusive than your original post. You can’t honestly have thought that when you dis someone else’s religion they’re not going to have a go at you. Also, if you’re going to use negatively emotive language about God and insinuate He’s the orbiting invisible monster then you’re probably asking for it.

    If I know you, and I do, you’re probably just trying to boost your hit count! ;)

  11. qmonkey
    October 15, 2007 at 15:34 | #11

    The Grumpy Man – no argument. i am boosting the hit count. and its ott to refer to the comments as abusive. i’ll take that on the chin. but i wasn’t referring to god as a orbiting monster… i was trying to be less abusive and emotive by not taking directly about god, and using other beliefs as the target instead… i could just as well have said.. the great Du Du up the mountain who brings rain.. or whatever.

    your comment is noted, and taken on board. the abusive ones just said stuff like – “you arrogant cock” (quite funny in retrospect)

  12. Jennifer
    March 7, 2008 at 10:01 | #12

    Great post :) I agree completely. I don’t think faith isn’t a good enough reason to be sure of anything. It’s a mystery to me how so many people consider it a good defence of a belief – and how some (as in earlier comments) seem to think that all us non-believers have to do is stop denying the obvious and we’ll be fine.
    Looking forward to having a look around the rest of your site. :)

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